Meetings

UW Law Librarianship Class of 2013

July 16, 2013: Seattle

We met in the formal Board Room at the Washington State Convention Center for our normally informal meeting of law librarians who teach or want to teach courses in library and information schools. A small, but early (7am) band, this year! As usual we each gave an update of our programs/teaching/interests.

Ralph Monaco directs the program at St. Johns. There are three hybrid courses (some online; some residential): Introduction to Law Librarianship; Advanced Legal Research; Law Library Administration. There were 3 distance students. They used WebX as the platform. Residential students were able to attend class when they could not get to the physical space, an added benefit of the hybrid platform. Ralph says the jury is still out about the quality of the education received by online-only students.

Margie Maes has taught at several library and information schools in the past, most recently teaching the required Law Library Administration class at the University of Washington Information School. In addition to her day jobs, Margie also serves on library and information school accreditation panels for the American Library Association.

Renate Chancellor is the director of the law librarianship program at Catholic U of America Department (no longer a School) of Library and Information Science. There are three specialized courses: Legal Bib; ALR; Law Librarianship. The department is now located in the law school. The courses have an online and residential component (hybrid). They are reviewing their curriculum and also developing specialized certificate programs for those who already hold an MLIS.

Sara Sampson teaches 1 legal research/law librarianship course at the UNC Information School. There are several students in their joint JD/MLIS degree program.

Galen Fletcher teaches a one-credit Introduction to Law Librarianship course in the law school for law students only. It usually has 4-6 law students, some of whom become interested in Law Librarianship and enroll in MLIS programs.

David Hollander teaches mostly MLIS, non-JD students in two law librarianship courses for the Pratt Institute in NYC.

Marcia Dority Baker teaches a Special Libraries class at U Missouri Columbia School of Information Science and Learning Technologies. There are no law librarianship courses taught here. Marcia authored the chapter on “Social Software in Law Libraries” for the new book mentioned below, Law Librarianship in the Digital Age.

Penny Hazelton directs the law librarianship program at the UW. One-half of the credits for the MLIS are specialized law librarianship courses. It is a year-long program and we hire all of them to work in our law library 10 hours a week. We have 10 new lawyers who will begin in September 2013. Students in the regular MLIS program can take the law librarianship course, though we could do a better job of marketing the classes to this group.

Thereafter, topics of interest were:

  1. Job market; fewer jobs on the AALL Jobline in July 2013 than usual.  At U Washington, of 8 graduates in July 2013, 5 have accepted new positions; two have geographical limitations but we are hoping and one is still actively looking. Average salary for these 5 is $62,000 (3 academic positions; 1 county position; 1 federal court position).
  2. Do recent MLIS grads have enough technology experience?  Do we need to be looking at the informatics grads and pulling them into law librarianship?  How much is the law degree an asset/negative?
  3. What textbooks do we use in our courses?  Most create course materials.  Good news on the horizon – the Balleste book (Law Librarianship in the Twenty-First Century) is coming out in a new edition and a new book, Law Libraries in a Digital Age, edited by Ellyssa Kroski will be out in the fall.  This is a good reminder to check out the Educator Resources portion of the COLLE website http://lib.law.washington.edu/colle/ .  We have listed all the books on law librarianship and indexed their contents for easy retrieval to create course packets for law librarianship courses.
  4. What education and skills do law librarians of the future need?  Do we need to reinvent the courses they take in preparation for law library jobs?  Do they need courses in negotiating and licensing?
  5. Course syllabi live on the COLLE website.  Please post your own and encourage other colleagues to post theirs as well!  See them http://lib.law.washington.edu/colle/ under Educator Resources.  Send any updates or changes to the website to Penny Hazelton, pennyh@uw.edu.

Submitted by:  Penny Hazelton, Convener and Scribe, University of Washington School of Law

July 23, 2012: Boston

A small but dynamic group met in Boston, helped along by the breakfast (and caffeine) sponsored by ThomsonReuters – thank you Lori Hedstrom!

Yolanda Jones at Wayne State noted they were hoping to add new law librarianship courses to the curriculum of the library and information school at Wayne State. Ed Greenlee at University of Pennsylvania teaches the distance course at Drexel and regularly mentors MLIS students by hiring at least two interns a year at Penn, as does the law library at Drexel Law School. Ed’s online course has been taught for the past ten years. He requires pathfinders and encourages the students to intern at Penn and Drexel. As interns the students keep journals and may even teach a bit at the law school.

David Hollander is the law librarian at Princeton and he teaches law librarianship courses at Pratt. Pratt has cut its offerings of law librarianship courses from 3 to 2. He will be teaching a class with MLIS students with and without JDs and was asking for some tips from some of the more experienced teachers. Pratt has a joint JD/MLIS degree with Brooklyn.

Barbara Bintliff at U Texas is working to revitalize the relationship with the information school at Texas. The Tarlton fellows are lawyers who are attending library school and who work in the law library as part of their 2-year program. The joint JD/MLIS program takes 3 years and 1 summer to complete. There is usually one person in this program each year.

Renate Chancellor works at Catholic U managing and teaching in their Online Weekend and Learning Program (OWL). Among the specializations they offer is one with three courses in law librarianship.  They also have an Intelligence Analysis Program and a JD/MLIS degree with Catholic’s law school. They would like to add other law school partners.

Lori Hedstrom reminded us all that we can get 120-day passwords with access to Westlaw for any student in information/library school courses. She also said that access to Westlaw Next for library and information school courses is coming!

Jim Murphy is the Law Library Relations Manager for Bloomberg Law. He will look into whether Bloomberg will continue to provide access to BNA titles and will add access to Bloomberg Law for students in library school courses. Jim used to teach law librarianship courses.

Ralph Monaco at NY Law Institute operates as a consultant and adjunct faculty member for the St. Johns library/information school. There are three courses in law librarianship (which are taught at St. Johns downtown (NYC) campus. St. Johns was just recently reaccredited. He would like to see more collaboration between library and information schools related to internships or directed fieldwork.

Yvonne Chandler reported that the funding for a new state law school in Dallas/Fort Worth is on hold since the announcement that Texas A&M just purchased the Texas Wesleyan Law School this summer. She is serving as President of the Texas Library Association! She has a cohort of 35 librarians in Guam, from 9 difference islands in the South Pacific, to whom she is providing educational offerings. The law librarianship offerings are part distance and part residential.

Penny Hazelton reported that the law librarianship program at the University of Washington had a record 14 students in 2011/12 (it is a 10-month program). Also, government publications will be a required class in place of the second legal research class.

By:  Penny Hazelton, Convener and Scribe, University of Washington School of Law

Attendees:

Barbara Bintliff, U Texas Law School
Renate Chancellor, Catholic University Library School
Yvonne Chandler, U North Texas Library School
Ed Greenlee, U Pennsylvania Law School (with Drexel)
Lori Hedstrom, ThomsonReuters
David Hollander, Princeton (with Pratt)
Yolanda Jones, Wayne State
Ralph Monaco, New York Law Institute (with St. Johns)
Jim Murphy, Bloomberg

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July 26, 2011: Philadelphia

Roberta Shaffer reminded everyone that the University of Texas Austin now has a formal joint degree, JD-MLIS. They are especially interested in training new FCIL law librarians. May begin to recruit from the LLM programs in the fall of 2012. The U of Arizona has started a new certificate program for an all-distance digitization specialization with startup funds from an IMLS grant. Catholic University has had a law librarian track for years which has focused on government and law firm law librarianship. With the changes in law firm management, coursework focusing on competitive intelligence in law firms is the hot area. The Law Library of Congress is eager to partner with MLIS students who are interested in interning with them. The Law Library will arrange an on-site program, a distance program for nearly any duration, long or short. Contact Roberta Shaffer.

We thanked Lori Hedstrom for ThomsonReuters’ support of our early morning meeting. She reiterated the company’s support to supply Westlaw passwords for students at the request of any teacher, teaching courses in library school. Contact Lori directly if you have questions or are having problems.

Karen Brunner, a law librarian in a law firm in Morristown, NJ, indicated that budget concerns may require that the information school at Rutgers stop supporting the legal resources class.
Dana Neacsu at Columbia teaches at Pratt and her book is online.

Ralph Monaco, the Director at New York Law Institute, coordinates the law librarianship program at St. Johns. The University is committed to the law librarianship concentration track – most courses are taught at the St. Johns campus in NYC. Special courses in information resources, advanced legal research (team taught by law librarians), and law library administration (2 hours residential credit and 2 hours online credit) which Ralph teaches. He is seeing more embedded law librarians in law firms, more law librarian specialists. It was suggested that Ralph might contact the new director at St. Johns (Martin Cerjan) and suggest that the legal research classes in the library school be cross-listed in the law school. Roberta mentioned that legal research courses in the library schools could be cross-listed to several other schools to broaden the reach of the information/library schools – business, public affairs, medicine, etc.

Jeffrey Olson is the SLIS Dean at St. Johns. He is also looking to create a certificate program for librarians who already have their MLIS and wish to update their skills or specialize in some way. He would like to help educate law firm partners about the legal information environment.

We welcomed Imtiaz Jafar who is just finishing his MLIS at St. Johns.

Jan Bissett is the public service librarian at Wayne State U Law Library. She is teaching the legal information resources class with Margie Heinman (who works at U Denver). The course is only offered online now in the spring and summer. They have ten great students, some with experience in the legal profession and one JD. The school emphasizes urban librarianship.

Matt Braun (UNC MLIS graduate), currently at the Law Library of Congress, will teach the Advanced Legal Research class at Catholic in the spring of 2012 for the first time. He will be teaching every other Saturday to cover the course content.

Penny Hazelton (your convenor and reporter) mentioned that 14 lawyers will start the 11 month program at the UW in late September – the largest class ever. Other news of note, the U of Washington Information School has gone completely self-sustaining with no difference in tuition between in-state and out-of-state students as of the fall of 2011. They offer an undergraduate degree in Informatics, a PhD, a Masters in Librarianship (residential and online), and a Masters in Information Management.

Other topics of interest
Embedded Librarianship – these librarians need great project management skills and may often have two bosses (the library and the practice group). Becoming more popular in law firms – some embedding in law school clinics and other special programs/institutes with research heavy agendas.
Internships in Law Firms – several of us find these very hard to arrange. Need to be longer so intern can actually use some of the skills they are taught; often not allowed to use expensive databases and other electronic resources because of cost; conflict check needs to be done; have to work with HR in the law firm, sometimes very difficult; law firms are not used to ‘volunteers’, even those earning academic credit.

Attendees

  • Jan Bissett, Wayne State University (Wayne State SLIS)
  • Matt Braun, Law Library of Congress (Catholic University SLIS)
  • Karen Brunner, Riker, Danzig, Scherer, Hyland, Perrett, LLP, Morristown NJ (Rutgers U SLIS)
  • Penny Hazelton (convenor and scribe) University of Washington School of Law Library (UW Information School)
  • Lori Hedstrom, West Librarian Relations
  • Imtiaz Jafar, MLIS student at St. Johns
  • Ralph Monaco, New York Law Institute (St. Johns U SLIS)
  • Dana Neacsu, Columbia U Law Library (Pratt Institute SLIS)
  • Jeffrey Olson, Dean at St. Johns University SLIS
  • Roberta Shaffer, Law Librarian of Congress (Catholic, U Texas, U Arizona and San Jose State)

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July 13, 2010: Denver

Ralph reported that he is teaching 3 courses for the St. Johns library school at their location in downtown Manhattan – Legal Research, Advanced Legal Research and Law Library Administration.  The Library and Information School at St. John’s (their main campus in Queens) has been downsized significantly due to a voluntary buyout of professors. About half of his students were lawyers. They may rename the degree Masters of Law Librarianship. He is thinking about adding more courses.

Renate is the new director of the Law Librarianship Program at Catholic in DC. There are three primary courses: Legal Literature, Advanced Legal Research, and Introduction to Law Librarianship.  They are looking to add other courses. There is an interim Dean of the School. There are currently 30 JDs in the program. For post MLIS graduates, there is now a Certificate for Library Leadership.

Lori from West (Ed. Note: thanks for your support of this group and especially the early morning caffeine and pastries!) helps schools get needed passwords for all their students for Westlaw.  Training can also be arranged through contacting Lori. She is checking to see if WestlawNext will be available for Information School students and Law Librarianship courses.

Mike from U of Arizona noted that he has six fellowships (about 2 new students per year) that cover all tuition and in exchange the students work in the law library 20 hours a week for a stipend of $15,000/year. At the moment he teaches three classes in the law librarianship program: Advanced Legal Research, Teaching Legal Research, and Law Library Practice and Administration. He also has 2-3 other JD students enrolled in the MLIS program who are not fellows but are earning their MLIS degree.

Yvonne Chandler is a tenured professor at U of North Texas Information School. UNT is hoping to open its new law school in the fall of 2012. There are 28 students in the Law Library Management course this year. There are 3 specialized courses in law librarianship:Law Library Management, Legal Research, and Advanced Legal Research (the students create a teaching curriculum and work on digital content management). She has about 12 JDs more than she has had in past courses.

Barbara Traub is not currently teaching in the St. John’s program since she is serving as the Interim Law Library Director. Linda Ryan is now the Director of the Palmer School at Long Island University and wants to establish a new law librarianship program.

Jennifer Wertkin and Helen Levenson have been guest lecturers in Law Librarianship courses.

Stephanie reports that she has three half-time positions in the GA program which covers tuition and pays a stipend. These GAs generally have JDs and work in the law library. Stephanie teaches two courses in the U of Illinois LEAP distance education program: Legal Resources and Law Librarianship. U of Illinois is looking at starting a JD/MLIS joint degree program.

Peyton Neal (who worked as a law librarian, with BNA, and is an Information Policy lobbyist in his career) is working on fundraising efforts to build a new home for the UNC Information and Library School in Chapel Hill that will be four times bigger than the current space. They have a small joint degree program they would like to grow. Peyton is interested in proposing a workshop or program for AALL on how to design a curriculum for a joint JD/MLIS program. Anyone interested should contact him!

Karen has been teaching the Information Resources and the Law class at Rutgers every other year due to lower enrollments.

Margi, a law firm librarian in Denver, used to teach at Wayne State but now teaches in the law librarianship program at the University of Denver Library School. There are 3 classes in law librarianship:Legal Research, Advanced Legal Research, and Legal Reference. Most of the July 2010 fellows have their JD.

Jan has been teaching Legal Bibliography and a class in Business Bibliography at Wayne State School of Library and Information Science. Wayne State may be looking at a joint degree program and new courses in law librarianship. This year there were 8 students in her legal bib class; 3 had JDs and several were already working in law libraries.

Paul reported that his legal research class (where he emphasizes transactional work) has been cross listed to the MLIS program at the UM, Columbia.

Roberta Shaffer, the new Law Librarian of Congress, reminded us that LLC has internships for students and MLIS graduates interested in law librarianship. Geography is not a boundary. Until she appoints a coordinator, please contact her directly. Also, the Library of Congress and CRS have paid fellowships and the annual Presidential Management Fellow Program is a wonderful opportunity, but has a long lead time. She also announced that the University of Texas at Austin is starting a joint JD/MLIS program.

Penny Hazelton (your convener) directs the law librarianship program at the U of Washington. It is a one year program, requires the JD degree (though regular MLIS students can take the classes), has 5 specialized classes and a required fieldwork experience, requires attendance at the AALL Annual Meeting, and provides a 9-month internship program for students to work in the law library 10 hours a week. 

Discussion Items

What kind of courses do future law librarians need to take while in library school?

  • Non-legal research (science, banking, patents, CI, etc.)
  • Courses in management and business (HR, budget)
  • Virtual reference
  • Digital project management

How good are the distance/online courses in MLIS programs?

  • Best ones have a residential component
  • Worried about contextualization if no library experience
  • LEAP at U of Illinois was touted as one of the best

What kind of programs/educational opportunities are needed after the MLIS?

  • Right now, management and financial skills
  • Perhaps some certificate programs (like at Catholic in Leadership) or courses already in curriculum

Library Schools in jeopardy?

  • LSU Library and Information School is probably going to close.

Financial burden for students with heavy debt load earning another degree – the MLIS. Often debt is in the 5-6 figures.

  • Be sure scholarship, loans, and fellowships/GA'ships are broadly advertised,
  • Create more of these work-for-your-education opportunities (like at Illinois, Arizona, and Denver).

Placement

  • Are there too many graduates and not enough jobs?  (Ed. Note: This year at AALL 50 people were registered with the placement office and there were 49 jobs. My experience over the years is that if people are not geographically limited, they find jobs. It is those students who are place bound who may have trouble finding a job in their location. Two 2009 graduates of my UW program went back to the practice of law since there were no jobs in the Seattle area after they graduated.)
  • We need better information about the number of graduates as well as placement of graduates.  (Ed. Note: I think I will add a new section to the COLLE website where everyone can contribute information about the number of graduates and placement.)
  • Help your students with resumes. I constantly hear from employer law librarians that they are surprised at how poorly cover letters are written and that resumes fail to sell the applicant’s education and skills. This may be especially true with lawyers who are used to the one-page resume and have little experience writing cover letters.

Attendees

Jan Bissett, Wayne State U (Wayne State SLIS) Margi Heinen, Sherman & Howard (U Denver)
Karen Brunner, Riker, Danzig (Morristown, NJ) (Rutgers) Helen Levenson, Cooley Law School
Paul Callister, U of Missouri, Kansas City (U Mo Columbia) Ralph Monaco, New York Law Institute (St. Johns)
Renate Chancellor, Catholic U SLIS (CUA SLIS) Peyton Neal, U of North Carolina (retired) (UNC SLIS)
Yvonne Chandler, U of North Texas (UNT SLIS) Mark Schwartz, West Librarian Relations
Mike Chiorazzi, U of Arizona (U Az SLIS) Roberta Shaffer, Law Librarian of Congress
Stephanie Davidson, U of Illinois (U Ill SLIS) Barbara Traub, St. John’s U
Penny Hazelton, U of Washington (UW iSchool) Jennifer Wertkin, Columbia U
Lori Hedstrom, West Librarian Relations  

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July 28, 2009: Washington, DC

Updates

  • BYU Law School – offers an Introduction to Law Librarianship class in the law school. See LeGrande Fletcher for details
  • Catholic – fully accredited with 3 courses in law librarianship; they have 3 full tuition graduate fellowships for pre-professional library staff who want to become librarians. Price point for MLIS degree is a problem; don’t just focus on JD students in their program. Dr. Chancellor who was a law librarian is now the director of the law librarianship program; encourage practice in all types of law libraries
  • Emporia State – offers an online legal research course
  • Pratt – offering two courses; access to TWEN is clunky; not all Westlaw content is accessible because of third party content providers
  • Rutgers – library school moving under the School of Communications
  • Simmons – legal information sources class has 4-22 students each semester
  • St. Johns – working to establish courses at Manhattan site for student accessibility
  • U Arizona – Mike Chiorazzi was AALL’s representative to the ALISE (Association of Library and Information Science Educators) conference; 4 fellows and wants to grow to 8
  • U North Carolina – want to double size of library school faculty and triple student body; working on new building; have added new courses in Competitive Intelligence and Financial Informatics; will be endowed research positions
  • U North Texas – starting a new law school with first class fall 2010; beginning to focus on Native American librarianship; an endowed fund pays for two students to come to AALL at no expense to them; Yvonne Chandler won the UNT Distinguished Teacher Award!
  • Valdosta– newest ischool accredited and offering an Introduction to Law Librarianship course
  • Westlaw – is being used in every accredited library school in the US; good recruitment tool

Need more focus on law practice areas in library education and law librarianship education

Discussion Items

Workshop or conference on what employers want from law librarians bringing educators and employers together

Online courses in Information and Library Schools

·         Tuition costs vary widely for these online programs/courses

Attendees

Karen Brunner, Riker Dazig (Rutgers) Kim Kelley, Catholic SLIS Dean
Yvonne Chandler, U North Texas Wallace Koehler, Valdosta State U MLIS program
Mike Chiorazzi, U of Arizona Ralph Monaco, New York Law Institute (St. Johns)
John Christensen, Washburn (Emporia State) Dana Neacsu, Columbia Law Library (Pratt)
Patricia Evans, Supreme Court of the US (Catholic) Peyton Neal, U of North Carolina SILS Board of Visitors
Joel Fishman, Duquesne U (U Pittsburg) Raquel Ortiz, Boston U (Simmons)
Penny Hazelton, U of Washington Mark Schwartz, West
Lori Hedstrom, West Nolan Wright, U Texas at Austin

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July 15, 2008:  Portland, OR

Updates: no record kept

Discussion Items

Check out the COLLE website for an index of law librarianship texts for possible readings and for a list of the legal research textbooks. Sometimes the Member Briefings section of AALL Spectrum are a great summary of an important topic. These are indexed as well. Click on Educator Resources from http://lib.law.washington.edu/colle/

Dual degree Programs

  • How many are there?
  • Are there any graduates of these programs?

Attendees

Toni Aiello Lori Hedstrom Mark Schwartz
Stacey Bowers Mary Hotchkiss Esti Shay
Karen Brunner Anne Klinefelter Barbara Traub
Edward Hart Peyton Neal Gretchen Van Dam
Penny Hazelton Jeanne Price Patty Wellinger

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July 17, 2007: New Orleans

Updates

  • U of Washington – applications are up; created an award for best research paper with $1000 prize.
  • U Denver – resurrect the law librarianship program with the College of Education and the Law School
  • Simmons – expand law librarianship offerings?
  • U Arizona – fellowships for students in MLIS program with work in law library; in the Teaching Legal Research class, the students design a syllabus and lesson plans and then teach in the 5 day Legal Research Boot Camp for law students.
  • Emporia State - working with Washburn Law School to teach online legal research class and create new degree, Legal Information Management.
  • UNC – a student can earn a dual degree in law and librarianship in two years; need to emphasize the specialization.
  • Valesta, GA – a new library school
  • U Texas – there are two courses and two fellowships per year for people interested in law librarianship classes.

Discussion Items

Recruitment to the profession

Teaching non-JD MLIS students, some challenges and satisfactions

Advertise fellowships with National Association of Law Placement and local Career Services offices

There are a lot of very smart foreign students in LLM programs in the US – how can we capitalize on this?

AALL chapters reach out to library and information schools; career panels, tours, etc.

Invite local library school Deans and faculty to AALL and chapter meetings

Can get AALL recruitment brochure from AALL

Job fairs and career days in law and library schools

Personal contacts and personal commitment to recruiting

Teach more sections of legal research courses

Attract non-JDs

Recognize that most library schools do not have career services offices; we need to help out!

Scholarship Information

Library school orientation – talk up law librarianship

Internships in law libraries

Content of courses on law librarianship

  • Budget
  • Changing models of publication of legal materials
  • Collection development
  • Great books/readings: This discussion led to the creation of a list of the books published in our field, with their tables of contents digitally recreated on the COLLE webpage.
  • Law firm information
  • Leadership
  • Legal information policy
  • Legal research – role in law library services
  • Management
  • Professional development
  • Staffing and personnel management
  • Technology and automation
  • Types of law libraries

How to start a law librarianship program or a joint JD/MLIS degree

  • Very few students know before they earn either the JD or MLIS that they want to be law librarians, so joint degree programs have few graduates and schools don’t track them very well.
  • Most of us work for nothing or next to nothing.  Our time is provided by our employers, so cost to Information School is small.
  • If there is no fulltime law trained person on the Information School faculty, get a champion on that faculty to help you work out the nitty-gritty of courses and so on.
  • Offer scholarships or fellowships especially for people interested in law librarianship.

Attendees

Nancy Armstrong, Ohio Northern U Mary Hotchkiss, U of Washington
Stacey Bowers, U of Denver Chris Hudson, U of Denver
Karen Brunner, Riker, Danzig (Morristown, NJ), Rutgers Anne Klinefelter, U of North Carolina
Yvonne Chandler, U of North Texas SLIS Peyton Neal, U of North Carolina (retired)
Mike Chiorazzi, U of Arizona Raquel M. Ortiz (Boston U), Simmons GSLIS
Craig Eastland, Thomson JoAnna Patrick, U of Denver
Barb Ginsburg (Washburn U), Emporia State Jeanne Price, U of Texas
Jose-Marie Griffiths, U of North Carolina Judy Russell (U of Florida), UNC Board of Visitors
Edward Hart, U of Florida Barbara Traub, St. John’s U
Penny Hazelton, U of Washington  

 


July 10, 2006: St. Louis

Conference of Law Library Educators webpage 

Send content suggestions to Penny Hazelton. Send links to your more current syllabus – see the Educator Resources section – many are too old!

Reports:
Eleven students will be in the law librarianship program at SUNY Buffalo this fall. Jim also reported that the School of Informatics is being moved to the Department of Education at SUNY Buffalo.

Yvonne Chandler announced the receipt of another $700,000 grant to subsidize students who work toward their MLIS from the Western states.

Karen Brunner announced that the basic law librarianship class she teaches at Rutgers may go back to being offered once a year.

Drexel is offering 20% off tuition for students enrolled in their online degree program.

Lori Hedstrom mentioned that there were many fewer applications for West scholarships this year. The deadline was Feb. 28th and applicants must include a copy of their acceptance to library school with their application. Several of us mentioned that many students hoping to enter fall classes do not get letters of acceptance until late March. Information about this scholarship is on the COLLE website – so be sure to let your potential students know this source of financial aid! And thanks for the delicious breakfast again this year! We especially appreciate it at 7am….

St. John’s is revamping its library school.

U of Arizona now has an official certificate program in law librarianship for those earning their MLIS. Mike has three fellowships which include free tuition, $11,000/year, and the student works in his law library for twenty hours per week. He advertised these through National Association for Law Placement (NALP) this year and had many more applicants than usual.

U of Western Ontario had an intern work in their law library this year and really liked the experience.

Catholic U is redesigning its MLIS program and hoping to reinvigorate the law librarianship program. They have fourteen students in law librarianship this year, most going on a part-time basis.

Mary Matuszak mentioned that it is hard to hire qualified librarians. Specifically, she mentioned that resumes are poorly written, that she has concerns about online courses/degrees, and that she will be forced to hire people without the MLIS.

Other tidbits:

  • 69% of MLIS courses are online nationally!
  • A multi-day leadership institute with Maureen Sullivan will be held in Tucson in March 2007 and underwritten by AALL, for about thirty-five law librarians who are interested in higher level management jobs.
  • Two books that may be of interest:
    • Mary Whisner has a book that compiles all of her LLJ, “Practicing Reference” columns that will be published by Wm. S. Hein later this year. It will have two-tiered pricing to be attractive to use as a student textbook in law librarianship courses.
    • Michelle Wu and Leslie Lee are publishing a book on Law Library Management that will be published in 2007 by Wm. S. Hein.

Should we be aiming to update some of the great historical articles that have been written so they will reflect current affairs? Jim Milles brought this up. Anyone want to take a hand at collecting a list of the most important historical articles?

Ranking of law librarianship programs was discussed. Several people mentioned that the rankings should be ignored and that they are really just a popularity contest and once the criteria for ranking is known that schools just try to game the system. This year only Deans of library and information schools were asked to rank all the programs (we could find no practicing law librarians or law librarianship program directors who were asked to rank the schools). Others said that the rankings will not go away and that we should be happy that information and library schools are ranked generally – gives some prominence to the profession as a whole. No one knows if these rankings will be annual or not. The last ranking of library schools by US News was in the mid-1990s. One person commented that these rankings can be useful internally to help facilitate change.

The topic of internships came up. Barbara Traub has created and posted to the COLLE website a list of libraries willing to host interns. She wanted to know if there was some way to merge the lists created by NELLCO and other organizations with our list. She will look into that possibility. In the meantime, we do link to the NELLCO list from the internships page. Penny mentioned that she feels free to call on any law library to be a host for her law librarianship students. Some say yes and some say no!

What should the chapter’s role be with local library and information science schools? Some ideas that were shared were:

  • Volunteer to teach a course in a library school (not for free)
  • Work with library school staff on placement issues – resume writing, applying for law librarianship jobs, know the market
  • Participate in the new MLIS student orientation and in job fairs
  • Offer student grants and scholarships to attend professional meetings
  • Establish a student fee for membership in your chapter and a lower registration fee for programs
  • Advertise chapter activities at the school – school newsletters, posting on bulletin boards
  • Meet with library school deans to discuss ways to recruit students to law librarianship
  • Go to ALISE (Association of Library and Information Science Educators) meetings
  • Offer a mentor program between law librarians and students interested in law librarianship

Market for law library jobs was very robust this year – many jobs; not so many qualified applicants.

The National Conference of Bar Examiners is considering creating a stand-alone legal research bar examination.

Attendees

Fred Barnhart, Loyola, Chicago (Dominican) Lori Hedstrom, West Librarian Relations
Karen Brunner, Riker, Danzig, Scherer, Hyland & Perretti (Rutgers SCILS) Mary A. Hotchkiss, U of Washington Law School (U Washington iSchool)
Yvonne Chandler, Professor U North Texas Library School Billie Jo Kaufman, American U Law Library (Catholic)
Mike Chiorazzi, U Arizona Law Library Dan Martin, Loyola U – LA
John Christensen, Washburn U Law Library Mary Matuszak, New York County-DA
Pamela Barnes Craig, Law Library of Congress (Catholic U SLIS) Jim Milles, SUNY Buffalo
Charles Dyer, San Diego County Law Library (retired) John Sadler, U of Western Ontario Law Library
Patricia Evans, Supreme Court of the US Library (Catholic U SLIS) Barbara Traub, St. John’s U Law Library
Martha Hale, Dean, Catholic U School of Library and Information Science Paula Waddee, US Court Appeals 5th Circuit
Penny Hazelton, U of Washington Law Library (scribe) Hollie White, Arizona State U

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July 18, 2005: San Antonio

I am the unofficial chair for this caucus. Send me any changes or corrections. Penny Hazelton.

Nearly thirty librarians and deans braved the heat and humidity to attend our 7am meeting at the Riverwalk Marriott in San Antonio as part of the 2005 Annual Meeting of AALL. We enjoyed a very nice breakfast, thanks to Lori Hedstrom at West. The caffeine was appreciated, too! We had introductions around. Some of the highlights:

Remember to check out the Conference website. A lot of great new material has been added, including:

  • Information on how to access CALI lessons
  • Internship hosts – libraries willing to host students for paid (sometimes) and unpaid fieldwork/internships/externships/practicums (thanks to Barbara Traub at St. John’s who put this together and is willing to keep it up to date)
  • Fellowships – If your library has an assistantship or fellowship, please send the information to Penny Hazelton.
  • Course syllabi – some are more current – please send links to each of your course syllabi

CALI exercises – LaVonne Molde, from CALI, passed out the new CALI CD and a list of the forty-five legal research lessons. A couple librarians have experimented with these lessons. Add your suggestions to the webpage (see http://lib.law.washington.edu/colle/EdResour.htm#cali) by sending them Penny Hazelton.

University of Texas law and information schools are talking about a possible joint JD/MLS.

Robert Mead at Emporia State/U Kansas law librarianship program reports there are now seven courses offered!

Dan Dabney is working on some research dealing with subject indexing and the law.

Mike Chiorazzi at ASU has four fellowships for law librarianship students!

Jim Milles at SUNY Buffalo has 14 students in the law librarianship program at this time – eight are in law school and will earn joint JD/MLS and 6 already have a JD and are working on their MLS.

North Carolina Central has a joint JD/MLS degree.

Raquel Ortiz from BU reports that NELLCO has an internship clearinghouse on their website. Check it out under Events/Initiatives: http://nellco.org/index.cfm?page=internships.

The Law Librarians of New England has a new scholarship for a student earning a JD or MLS.

Discussion Items

  • Textbooks for various classes: please check the COLLE website for texts people have used before.
  • Technical services articles are generally very old and out of date. Can we encourage TS librarians to write some newer ones? I just found two articles I still like (from Penny):
    • Charlotte Levy, "Starting a Law School Library," 70 Law Lib. J. 290-308 (1977) [this article discusses the processes and records you need to keep – even though dated, I really like to assign this when we talk about acquisitions, especially.
    • Kent Milunovich, "Issues in Law Library Acquisitions: An Analysis," 92 Law Lib. J. 203-215 (2000.
  • New Student Caucus under AALL – how to harness the power of students in the association. Student chapters in library and information schools? Normally a small number. Perhaps there should be a virtual student chapter of AALL?
  • Should we create our own textbook? Haworth might publish. The problem is the courses vary a great deal in content. What are the classic articles that people entering the profession should have read or know about? This is the beginning of a list (see Educator Resources). We will post on the website and ask that you send suggestions to Penny Hazelton.

July 12, 2004: Boston

A record turnout enjoyed a continental breakfast provided by West (thanks, Lori Hedstrom!) at our 7am meeting in the Sheraton, Boston at the AALL Annual Meeting July 12, 2004. Each person introduced him/herself and explained the connection they have to library education and law librarianship.

Some highlights:

The Conference of Law Library Educators (COLLE)(us) has a newly updated webpage now located from the University of Washington Gallagher Law Library homepage, http://lib.law.washington.edu/colle/.

  • The information was current as of the spring of 2004. If you need to change anything or add a link to your new syllabus, please contact me so we can keep this as current and helpful as possible!
  • Many thanks to Dr. Yvonne Chandler who recognized the need for those who teach in library schools to have access to information about teaching in this unique venue.
  • University of Denver was reaccredited by ALA.
  • Gretchen Van Dam is chairing the Special AALL Committee, Graduate Education for Law Librarianship. Their charge is to promote law librarianship education and work with the recruitment and diversity committees.
  • Catholic University is looking for a full time professor for their law librarianship program. (Contact Dean Martha Hale.)
  • Five of the fifteen students in the new University Texas Legal Informatics PhD program have law degrees.
  • Florida State University has a new Joint JD/MS program and offers continuing education courses in law librarianship for people with one degree or the other. (Contact Faye Jones.)
  • CALI lessons may be great tutorials for legal research classes. Penny will talk with John Mayer at CALI to see if these can be made available to information/library school students in law librarianship courses.
  • Recruitment of people into the profession was discussed at length. Some ideas:
    • offer practicums and internships to lure MLIS students into law librarianship
    • have job links on the COLLE website to AALL jobs and chapter websites
    • create fellowships and subsidize library education
    • build relationships with the Association of Legal Administrators and paralegal groups
    • look for good students in law school
    • create AALL student chapters
    • coordinate internships in local areas
    • do open houses in law libraries for local librarianship students
    • create interest in law librarianship by doing legal research institutes for local librarians in other types of libraries
    • have local chapters work with local library schools
  • Barbara Traub at St. John's University will try to create a list of law libraries that will host students for internships/fieldwork/practicum experiences. We can post this on the website.

Attendees

Margie Axtmann, U of St. Thomas, MN Penny Hazelton, U of Washington
Leanne Battle, LexisNexis Lori Hedstrom, West
Mike Bernier, BNA Janet Hirt, Vanderbilt U
Karen Brunner, Rutgers U Nancy Johnson, Georgia State U/Clark Atlanta
Yvonne Chandler, U of North Texas SLIS Faye Jones, Florida State U
Jon Christianson, Washburn U Billie Jo Kaufman, American U
Anne Cottongim, Wayne State U Martha Keister, U of Denver
Mark Estes, U of Denver Anne Klinefelter, U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Linda Fariss, Indiana U Rob Mead, U of Kansas
Cherrie Feenken, Samford U Law Library/ U Alabama Patti Monk, Oklahoma City U
Ann Fessenden, US Courts, 8th Circuit Jeanne Price, U of Texas, Austin
Jonathan Franklin, U of Washington Marc Silverman, U of Pittsburgh
Barbara Fullerton, Locke Liddell & Sapp Barbara Traub, St. John's U
John Gathegi, Florida State U SLIS Emily Urban, Vanderbilt U
Martha Hale, Catholic U Library School Gretchen Van Dam, US Courts, 7th Circuit

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July 14, 2003: Seattle

Thanks to West for breakfast again this year!

The chair forgot to take notes except to report that the COLLE website would be moved to the University of Washington and will be updated by Penny Hazelton's student assistants.

Attendees

Mike Bernier, BNA Rob Mead, KU, Emporia
Mark Bernstein, UNC George Pike, U Pittsburgh
Yvonne Chandler, UNT Robyn Rebollo, West
John Christensen, Washburn U Sara Robbins, Pratt
Barbara Golden, College of St. Catherine’s Michael Roffer, NYU
Penny Hazelton, U Washington John Sadler, U Western Ontario
Lori Hedstrom, West Mark Schwartz, West
Mary Hotchkiss, U Washington Barbara Traub, St. John’s
Nancy Johnson, Clark-Atlanta Christopher Vallandingham, UFL
Jean McBride, Duquesne U  

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July 22, 2002: Orlando

After introductions around the table, we talked about several things:

  • Requested adjusting the deadline for the Student Division of the AALL Call for Papers of the Chair of that committee.
  • How can we market our law librarianship education programs and recruit more people into the profession?
    • Ideas: AALL student chapters; programs for bar associations; look at paralegals and paralegal schools; law school career services programs; library staff to library school; job shadow; tours of law libraries; mentoring; minimum published salary to post jobs with AALL is ridiculously low.
  • Reminded about the COLLE website at U North Texas - send syllabi!
  • BNA electronic products are available for librarians teaching in library schools.
  • There are distance education MLIS programs at FSU, U Missouri Columbia, U Illlinois (LEAP) and U Washington.
  • Textbooks people use are Legal Research in a Nutshell, Finding the Law, and Winning Research Skills.

Attendees

Penny Hazelton, U Washington School of Law
Joyce McCraig Pearson, University of Kansas, Emporia/KU
Bob Grover, Emporia State University
Rob Mead, University of Kansas, Emporia/KU
Mike Bernier, BNA
Dan Dabney, West, UW Madison
Keith Ann Stiverson, Chicago-Kent, Dominican
Karen Brunner, Riker Danzig, Rutgers
Barbara Traub, St. John’s University Law
Ken Svengalis, RI Law Press, URI
John Christensen, Washburn Law School
Mark Bernstein, Duke
Mary Hotchkiss, U Washington
Marc Silverman, U Pittsburgh
Jim Milles, U Buffalo
Christopher Vallandingham, U Florida
Sarah Hollingsworth, U Washington
Mark Schwartz, West Group
Lori Hedstrom, West Group
Nancy Johnson, Georgia State, Clark
Kathie Price, NYU, LIU
Resa Kerns, University of Missouri-Columbia
Jane McMahon, West, California
Paul Healy, U of Illinois
Gretchen Van Dam, US Court of Appeals, Dominican
Carole Hinchclift, Ohio State, Kent State
Sam Trosow, University of Western Ontario
Susan Broms, University of Pittsburgh

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July 16, 2001: Minneapolis

After a brief reminder of our purpose in getting together and a thanks to West for breakfast, each attendee introduced him/herself. Each person shared some news/information from their past year.

Some of the News

  • U Arizona has a new certification program for law librarianship.
  • U Pittsburgh's library school is now part of the College of Information Sciences.
  • U Buffalo has started a joint JD/MLIS degree program.
  • U North Texas teaches a distance legal research class which includes a 3 day weekend on site and is followed with a web-based course.
  • Emporia State and U Kansas Law School have created a Masters in Legal Information Management and is offering 2 courses.
  • U Texas has no specialization in law librarianship but there is a general class and students can do special projects in law librarianship.
  • U Missouri Columbia has a library school within the Department of Education and they are doing a distance ed class with St Louis, Omaha and Kansas City.
  • FSU has a joint JD/MLS program approved and everything can be done through distance education.
  • Dominican now has two law librarianship courses.
  • Rutgers U has a course in Information Resources in Law taught every two years.

Attendees

Penny Hazelton, U Washington School of Law, UW Information School
Karen Brunner, Riker Danzig, Rutgers SCILS
Prudence Dalrymple, Dean, Dominican University
Nancy Johnson, Georgia State U, Clark/Atlanta U Library School
Beth Youngdale, U Texas Law School
Robin Gault, Florida State U
Susan Kiefer, Hamline U Law School, St. Catherine/Dominican
Mary Wagner, College of St. Catherine
Robert Mead, U Kansas, Emporia State
Martha Dragich, U Missouri-Columbia, U Missouri-Columbia
Roberta Shaffer, U Texas Library School
Barbara Traub, St. John's U Law School
Bob Grover, Emporia State U School of Library & Info Mgmt
Lori Hedstrom, West Group
Yvonne Chandler, U North Texas School of Library and Info Science
Jim Milles, SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Buffalo
Sam Trosow, U Western Ontario School of Library Science
John Sadler, U Western Ontario School of Library Science
George Pike, U Pittsburgh Law School, U Pittsburgh
Mike Chiorazzi, U Arizona School of Law
Sara Robbins, Brooklyn School of Law
Nancy Trohy, Clausen Miller, PC, Dominican U

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July 18, 2000: Philadelphia

The chair forgot to take notes.

Attendees

Carla Pritchett, LSU
Julia Wentz
Linda Fariss, IU
Marc Silverman, U Pittsburgh
Beth Youngdale, UT
John Sadler, U Western Ontario
Tom French, Syracuse
Scott DeLeve, U Miss
Mary Hotchkiss, U Washington
Roberta Shaffer, UT Austin
Jonathan Franklin, U Washington
Martha Dragich, U Missouri
Joe Custer, U Kansas
Anne Klinefelter, UNC
Melanie Harshman, UT Austin
Nancy Armstrong
Sara Robbins, Pratt
Nancy Johnson, Clark-Atlanta
Nancy Tuohy, Dominion U
Joanne Dugan, West
Tom Fleming, Catholic
Mike Chiorazzi, U Arizona
Yvonne Chandler, UNT

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July 19, 1999: Washington, DC

The Conference of Law Library Educators met in Washington, D.C. on Monday July 19, 1999 at 7am in the Renaissance Washington D.C. Hotel. Twenty-one librarians and others were in attendance (list follows) despite the early hour and the fact that the meeting was inadvertently scheduled at the same time as the Academic Law Library Directors Breakfast.

Since this group changes from year to year, introductions around the table were made and each person explained their reason for attending this meeting. In addition to the usual law librarian suspects, two special guests attended. Dr. Tom Childers, Dean at Drexel College of Information Science and Technology, was a chapter VIP. Bruce Fraser, a PhD candidate at FSU School of Information Studies, distributed a copy of a proposal being considered on his campus for specialized web-based courses in legal information resources and legal informatics.

Then the following topics were briefly addressed:

  • AALL Task Force to Enhance Law Librarianship Education - report by Penny Hazelton, Chair. Survey of all library/information school deans and directors and teachers, fall 1998. Found 73% of US graduate programs offer course in law librarianship/legal research. Survey summary to be published by AALL fall 1999. The Task Force also announced the creation of “Education for a Career in Law Librarianship,” a new part of the AALL webpage (to be completed by Oct. 1999). This page will have references for people who might be contemplating a career in law librarianship and will include lists of graduate schools with specialized courses, joint JD/MLS programs, and the like. The Task Force will concentrate this year on other ways to increase the number and variety of law librarianship/legal research courses taught in graduate programs.
  • Incoming AALL President Margie Axtmann indicated that she is very interested in the issue of library education this year. She has asked several members of the Task Force to work with her on a Member Briefing that will appear in a fall issue of AALL Spectrum.
  • For Yvonne Chandler (UNT), Penny Hazelton distributed a copy of the webpage Yvonne created for the Conference. This web page is for teachers of law librarianship courses in graduate programs of library and information science. Several suggestions were made including: add textbook used; list only those teachers of law librarianship courses who send a copy of their syllabus (the AALL webpage will have the complete lists of teachers and schools offering courses); keep only the most recent syllabi for any one professor on the webpage - put on the UNT site rather than just link to other pages since we don't want them to disappear once the course is not being taught; contact person for free WESTLAW and LEXIS-NEXIS to students taking law librarianship courses in library/information science programs; information on how to subscribe to the Conference listserv.
  • Jonathan Franklin gave a short report on the American Library Association Congress on Professional Education. He served on the steering committee and attended the conference itself in spring 1999. His recommendations to the AALL Executive Board highlighted areas that AALL should investigate including educating those who teach law librarianship/legal research courses in graduate programs, recruiting and mentoring new people into the profession, and continuing the dialogue between LIS educators and law librarian practitioners.
  • Anne Fessenden, chair of the AALL Recruitment Committee, passed out the brochure that AALL just reprinted, “Finding Your Way in the information Age.” This is aimed at attracting people to law librarianship. She reminded us that as teachers in library schools we see many potential law librarians every day. Think of recruiting the best and the brightest!
  • Penny Hazelton agreed to schedule this meeting again next year and will avoid the conflict with the Academic Directors' Meeting. For AALL purposes, the Conference is a caucus and entitled to free use of a meeting room at the AALL Annual Meeting and listing in the program.

Submitted,
Penny Hazelton, Convenor

Attendees

Carla Pritchett, Loyola, New Orleans, LSU, Baton Rouge
Bruce Fraser PhD, Student, FSU School of Information Studies
Sam Trosow, U California, Berkeley, formerly San Jose State & U of Arizona
Donna Bausch, Norfolk Law Library, Catholic University of America
Mary Jawgiel, AALL
Nancy Johnson, Georgia State University, Clark Atlanta
Martha Dragich, U Missouri-Columbia, U Missouri-Columbia
Virginia Wise, Harvard Law, School Simmons
Mary A. Hotchkiss, U of Washington School of Law, U Washington School of Library & Information Science
Joel Fishman, Allegheny County
Karen Brunner, Riker Danzig Scherer Hyland & Perretti, Rutgers
Ann Fessenden, US Courts - 8th Circuit, U Missouri-Columbia
John Christensen, Washburn U, formerly, Emporia State
Jonathan Franklin, U of Michigan, U of Michigan
Madison Mosley, Stetson College of Law, U of South Florida
Amy Osborne, U of Kentucky, U of Kentucky
Tom Childers, Drexel University, Drexel University
Regina Smith, Jenkins Law Library, Drexel University
Susan Broms, U of Pittsburgh, U of Pittsburgh
Nancy Tuohy, Clausen Miller, P.C., Dominican University
Mike Miller, Maryland State Law Library, U of Maryland
Penny Hazelton, U of Washington

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July 13, 1998: Anaheim

Sixteen bright-eyed and cheerful folks met on July 13, 1998 at 7:30 am to talk about activities associated with teaching in library schools. This casual AALL caucus has been meeting every year since 1986. We talk about whatever comes up. We always like an update on people’s activities and who is teaching what and where. The group changes like the sea as librarians move in and out of these teaching positions. However, it is wonderful to know that so many of us are connected with library school education in one-way or another.

Announcements and discussion issues worth mentioning:

  • Two new library schools are at Penn State U and U of Denver.
  • Yvonne Chandler has been teaching 6 courses at once!
  • Yvonne Chandler has agreed to collect syllabi for courses taught in library schools. She will put them on the web – send her YOURS! Every year 2 or 3 librarians who have not taught before are interested in what we have been doing – sharing is good. Thanks, Yvonne.
  • Many of us teach in the summer. Most polled get paid for this work.
  • We talked about the textbooks used. Most who were at the meeting use Berring, Finding the Law, with the Johnson supplement. Some use Kunz and like it because it covers secondary sources first.
  • We were pleased that Faye Vowell, Dean of the School of Library and Information Management at Emporia State University (KS), joined our group discussion. Emporia is considering expanding its law librarianship offerings.
  • Please note there is a listserv for this group: lawlibed@aall.wuacc.edu. We don’t post lots of messages, but it is nice to know there are some colleagues out there doing what we are doing. Feel free to join! Use the usual protocol.

Other activities of note:

  • Penny Hazelton, Robert Shaffer, Jonathan Franklin, Regina Smith, and John Christensen have been appointed by AALL president Jim Heller to the Task Force to Enhance Law Librarianship Education. The Task Force is looking at ways AALL can help facilitate creation and offering of regular courses in law librarianship. The report is due to the Executive Board in 1999. Committee members will be surveying all library schools to gather factual data about course offerings, teachers and the like.

Attendees

Penny Hazelton, U Washington
Mark Estes, U Denver
Jonathan Franklin, U Michigan
Arundhati Satkalmi, St. John’s
Jim Hambleton, UNT
Melanie Putnam, Ohio State
Margie Axtmann, St. Catherine’s
Nancy Johnson, Clark-Atlanta
Yvonne Chandler, UNT
Ellen Gibson, SUNY Buffalo
Marc Silverman, U PittsburghhJim Fox, Penn State
Faye Vow, Emporia State
John Christensen, Washburn

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